bein netanyahu, president obama said containment of a nuclear iran was no option and warned that the united states will, quote, do what it must. >> america wants to resoe this issue through diplomacy, and we believ e' still time and space to do so. that time is not limited. >> the president defended the right to free speech while at the same time condemning the murder of an american ambassador and attacking the embassies ovseas >>reooro excusing the killing of innocence, no video to stifying the attack on the embas embassy. >> joini me now both of "time" magazi. thank you for your time. a lot gng on today. interestingly enough have to starthismeffy sg thesent givg this big foreign policy speech before the u.n., he just tweeted out about the nfl referee situation.

don't know what that says, if he is just comfortable foreign policy wise lng t lls,he showing he can juggle a bunch of things but nernls the president's personal signature saying nfl on both sides of the aisle hopes the lockout is over so. ma sense of it. ie sit hours he rublins he's retwooeting about the nfl refs. >> it's the most important thing going on right now. no, there's a lot going on right now. this is f foreign policy eks, the u.n. general assembly is a feign policy super bow w a speech. it wasn't a huge speech. he's not spends a local of time there this week. he's very much in election mode. he's really passing through. he had, you know, earlier res wi them and beyoban and tha

>> t word at least was make this a account do no harm" spchrent did ke some risks directing a harder line at iran if you can call it that. >> yeah. i think he may have been responding to some of the criticisms. i don't think that that's a worry. you can see the presint is doing pretty well in a very tougerentive situation over the past few weeks. still it's a sensitive situation and a sensitive spch. insod bi .oing to gettil he was on morning joe this morning. in the meantime let me bring in nationally syndicated talk show

host who's also an msnbc contributo michael, iave to wond. wh youoo m polar stories today, it it is ref situation overall if you look at the most talked about political stories of the day, perhaps this but you talk to people every day long. e they talking a t rage or foreign policies at the u.n. >> tamron, i had no idea you were going to bring this up, but let me tell you in the last hour i began my program by talking abou nate's analysis of where the presidential race stands and th nfiton with the ferees. >> that's incredible and i don't know how to process that. t polling are that pc

confident with the president's foreign policy stance, albeit as he referred to as bumps in the road with the arab spring? is it proof that it's not been fecte us ey distracted these days and perhaps what to do about iran and afghanistan are just too complex to try to turn into talking points on programs? michae >> we, i t tse are her subjects. i think there's a seinfeld principle at work here. they get overwhelmed with some of the heavy stuff, whether it's the economy, the trouble spots in the middle east. and have a digression and be at yhif glk about the nflnd lanight, it's good water cooler fodder, and we all have a stake in that sort of thing and frankly it's not so confrontational. >> let me play what forme president bill clinton said on

"morning e" apl atinpresident obama about not having the talks with the foreign leaders. >> what did you do in '96? you obviously m met with leader. it's surprising he's not meeting with the lears i did, but the campaign was different in '96. the survey said it wasn't that close. >> what do you make of the answer that he gave there, jim, i'm sorry? >> w about the in fact obama is not meeting with netanyahu while he's here but it's no secret that netanyahu has not tried interjecting himself and there's no need for the president to be hijackedy ents on his own terms. >> another interesting sound bike that's getting a lot of

press today. he's talking about he or any leader should expect awful things to be said. let me play this. >> as president of our country and commander in chief of our military, i accept that people are going to call me awful things every day. and i will always defend their right to do so. >> rana,hato yoak o thin there? >> i love that ote. it's saying two things. it's talking about free speech in the wake of what's happened inhe last few weeks in the middle east and the other thing that the administration has done right is that what's happened in the middle east in the last few wes and the st few months, the aan spring, it's not about the u.s. it's really about them, not us. that's not leadi from behind. that's bng smart.

>> mitromnai has kit tlion global initiative today, talked a lot about the work that former president has done with his organization, but, of course, he stepped into the muddy water of iran and let me play what governor romney had to say. >> iran isovgar nar weapons capability. we somehow feel that we're at the mercy of events rather than shaping events. >> jim, let me bring you back. a lot has been written and said about mitt romy's vision for what to do with iran hatehonestly, said nothing different than what the current administration has offed up here, but how is he able to get traction here at a if he is? >> i'm not sure he is getng traction. did st mhe h said the united states should mount its own attacks or sanctions israel's own attacks?

>> he alluded to sanctions not working and whatever the next move is, sanctions so far. >> meant approvi military hayt' the next step? i think romney hasn't gotten a lot of traction as a federal foreign policy candidate or president because he criticizes but he doesn't offer alternatives. he said we should not be weak i the middle east, but what exactly does that meanhen you're talking about tahrir square and benghazi. it's very unclear. it seems to me obama is taking the right track. patience is not the same thing as weakss. >> you bri u wes patience. let me play, michael, what he had to say. of course, he's with the romney campaign. let's play dan's piece. >> by the president and senior officials' repeadroadcasts that the military is on the action butt doesn't have a lot of tth tsniv t

iranians any incentive to get off course today. >> we heard mitt romney mention the word apologies. michael, do you believe this has been at all ineffective atsi egy, theea stte. administration made week decisions and been an apologist as we've heard from the primary through now? >> no. i think it's been a net negative. i've been sayingo phone callers, please aulwh ologyou' rerring to it's always answered with a very generic nonspecific reply. i think it's fired up the base. the base was already engaged. it has not helped with independenceand think it's be ati llrigh chaesmerconish and rana and jim, thankou for your time. 1,000 hours unt election day.

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mnasth interviews r starters. today. he'll rally where he and his running mate paul ryan have that big bus tour. cnn editor mark murray joins us from washington. i love the swirl effectecause that's kind of how the dayelt with so many tngsoing on th conba initiative speech for romney, education nation. it's a swirl of media coverage for these two men today. >> and, tamron, we still have six weeks to go as far as the scli f pdeba anmittomne you ow, pt of it today had to do with the scheduling. you had the u.n. general assembly, the speech, the events, nbc's education nation. but you are right. every time you're loong ahe entoerrent obama giving a eem, then mitt romney, then president obama, and then mitt romney, we're

going to continue to see that. now it moves to new york city to where the eves were to battleground states all over the ma >> it's interesting. ze otll especially when yore looking at issues of, for example, foreign policy? >> i think they do. especially when someone like me is supposed to keep tabs,ut they do. it is worth notin a lot of thgsydto esidt oba's eech bore the u.n. and mitt romney's remarks on education, a lot of this stuff is things they actually said before but it takes greater importance given how close we are to the election, the first debate on october 3rd. but we're in atage where they're sayg so myifnt things b evethin matters. >> what about on some unprecedented level? is it fair to measure it at this point. twitter was not around. cable news is a who difrent beast, numbers -- just

extraordary numbersnd er ote sos i fr to even measure how this is covered compared to even four years ago? >> you can't measure. so the news cles have also shrunken. you talk to the people at the obama campaign and wte hoe, a one o rns e whohey like to go before "the view" and go to "letterman," this is where all people get different news throughout the day, that that they're not watching broadca tv otug heable n th getng s man diffent sources of news out there, whether it's social media. you name it, tamron. so that really does kind of show you how diffuse information and news i >> ksrkoroi u aittl earlier than usual. we'll see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >> up next, the nfl, yes,

they're backing that call from last night's packers/seahawks game. us everyone is weighingn on re bae. bui get a chance to talk with philadelphia eagles star nnamdi os a wa we can't let him off thehook. th is thi rnin i'm t suhat we were doing, but it involved balloons. wow. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios

has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow it's the honey, it mes it ste ... ll, uld u wow ok athe me... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. okay. on a day when mitt romney and president obama la out their visions for the nation inurenonefture weto the countless people making a difference as well on the ground. philadelphia eagles quarterback nnamdi asomugha isot one of the best players every year. he takes high school kids on

all-expense-paid trips to unege campusesrounthe hense fm the education nation summit. nnamdi, great to see you. thanks for joining us again. >> yeah, how are you doing, tamron? >> i'm doing fantastic. you've received honors galore since last sawyou. wouamil founded the asomugha foundation. you take the kids every year despite your commitments on the field. how do you keep others motivated and helping the way you have? >> you know, i think just the fact that there are high school udents all over the couny, yoalwaanelhe out. there's always someone who's looking for that extra edge or, you know, that push to say that education is something that is cool or something that's interesting. if i just had somebody that could help me along the way, you know, then i cou me it. so that's how i' stad motited. nove expanded to philadelphia and we take some

students from philadelphia on college tours and it's great in. >> in april 2012 you took 18 students to chicago to some of the best schools in this cotry. oumentioned you expanded to filphilly, boston and other areas. >> you knowhahe b g usen talto the students or i'll go to a high school somewhere in the country and i'll talk to students, i'll say what's the one thing that you want to get out of this educational process, and they're ways telling me, well, i just u ,hut ee setel education is more than books and being in class, but just being outside of my normal environment. so i think i could be ecate thad way. they could see all the colleges

in the area. myhole thiasak tm tside of their element and have them be educated in that way. >> we know education is important but the ref rage as it's being called, the nfl releasing a statement just a short time ago, nnamdi, they they're supportin the refs in this game with the packer w givet to me straight. >> you're not going to be fined. >> i am going to be fined. you don't know that, mron. but anyway, no. obsl you never want it to be the play that costs one team or the other in a game. they weren't in the nfl last year, so this is all new to em. >> you're awfully forgiving. ouwf forgiving and i kind of know why because you've got a game against the giants and you don't want a ref

against you before you start. >> yeah, you figured it out. >> troy aikman said this is a joke. kyourosn tek. idlihaould h been you and the bad call against you. >> yeah, you're right. you're right. you're absolutely right. and, you know, let's -- i'll be honest with you. this isn't something that, you know, we go silent throughout the week abou you know, guys are always talking out it,la ihe locker room are talking about it. obviously when we go to work tomorrow it will be a big issue and something we talk about it. but our coaches say don't say anytng, don't attack them, let them handle it. that's the way we've had to deal with it. i know y're a cysn,so, you know -- i don't know. football is something that we're all passionate about. >> it's a passion, you're right. >> if theefs are -- yeah. absolutely. >> i don't want to get you fined. i don't want you to go ast

c's minde >> it might be too late. it might be too late. >> reggie bush tweeted out the refs have got to go. another said, come on, n. alot to laugh. hope the ref lockout is settled soon. aisle leave it on the president's note. >> absolutely. >> i'll be watching. i'm definitely in your corner, you're the only player i like outside of the cowboys team. keca. yo budd >>ppatit. thank you. up next, president obama shares his thoughts with the biggest challenge of trying to keep soaring college tugs costs down. americans believe they should be in charge of their own future.

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that brand of politics only makes it harder to achieve what we must do together, educating our children and creating the opportunities that they deserve. >> that waprident obama, and in his speechefhe u.n. today, citing education is the issue that unitedhe world. outside he's defending his own education policies telling msnbc news his reforms he led to greater accountability and highertandards for teachers. he sat down with savannah guthe. >> thanks for sitting down with me. >> appreciate it. >> i want to ask you about the stke in chicag there was adi rm advocate who said this is a new day for democrats, they're no longer kowtowing to the unions. is that how you see it? >> that's not how i see it. what i see is all across the m tr bve tt the ant results and

way to get results is to get everyone involved. it starts at home. parents have to parent and turn off the tv and video and make sure your kids turn off the video and do their home work and communicate with the teachers. asms t school boardshe making sure the teachers have the resources and creativity to do their best. principals are leaders. i think what you saw in chicago for example was the fact that they h thehortest sooay innt o shortest school year. it was very important for mayor emanuel to say let's step up our game, and it was important for the teachers unions to say, let's make sure we're not blaming teachers for the big problems out there. let's make sure we got t md it was resolved. ultimately performance, and making sure the kid doswell.

i but i do think from the perspective of democrats, we can't just sit on the status quo or say that money's t only issue. rerm iimpoan al th b t benchmark we've used in my administration is to say we're going to give more money to those schools that are serious about reform, but we're not going to let people make excuses and suggest that it's just a money problem. >> mitt romney sai that ded with the unions.chosen his at another time last spring he said he can't talk up reform while indulging in groups that block it. >> well, you know, i think governor romney and a number of folks try toolizhe isanot of teacher bashing. when i meet teachers all across the country, they're so devoted, so dedicated to their kids. and what we've tried to do is actually break through this idlo,haha m kervative liber

reform's been all about, the race to the top. what we've said to school districts is you've got to emphasize high accountability, high standardsing, make sure ying attention to the national outcomes of kids but we're also going to be giving the resources the to the teachers, providing the support they need. some of the things we'veone has not bnulit s teachers. i'm a big supporter of charter schools. >> one of the things mayor rahm emanuel fought for was that. >> the key is to work with teachers. eroram school t whas haen district, teachers have embraced the idea of merit teachers who are doing a great job, but what is still a challenge and i think

teachers have a legitimate gripe here is making sure the assessments are done prerly, that it' not jt bed o standardized tests which often force schools to teach to the tests. and one of the reasons we have sought reforms to no child left behind, i think it had great intentions. i give president bush credit for ying les raisendnd sevod trying to meet them. but because so much was tied to standardized testing, what you saw was teaching to the test. and i can't tell you how many teachers meet who say, you know what? this makes school less instfo, as a consequence i'm ending up really shrinking my curriculum, what i can do in terms of creativity inside of the classroom. and that's not how you and i, for example, when we thing of our best teachers, d thof stuing for a bunch of

testing to see how we do on the tests. >> some people think he can't have a honest conversation about what they're doingight or wrong. can you really saych un s aren't slowing the pace of reform? >> i get frustrated when i hear of teacher bashing as evidence of reform. myister is a former teacher. she now works at the university ll n that they work so d i can hard. they're pulling money out of their own pockets. and in some of the tougher school districts, they're not just teachers. ey're counselors, teachers, ds cg he soolse es with so many different problems. what is absolutely true is if we've got a bad teacher, we should be able to train them to get better and if they can't get better, they should be able to get fired.

i do think thatreas t a part of every agenda in the country -- school district in the country because there are some schools that are just underperforming. >> and i want to ask you about that because i'm sure you can cy ttaic heart. the u.s. spends about as much as any other country per pupil. why aren't we getting our money's worth. people are probably wondering what are we spendingur money on then? >> part of the problem we've got is we've got a very diverse cotry compared to somefhe smalroues wre the kids are coming to school pretty well prepared. theye not hungry, they're not poor. in our country, you know, we've got poor kids and some kids who have dp troubles at home and that affects performance, but wt i've proposed moving forward, building off of the

race to the top, let's hire new math and science teachers who are trained in math and science without being thrown i the classroom without the eparioey. focus on early childhood education. part of our race to the top is let's figure out what are the dropout factories out there. some schools are really underperforming. let' transform tho schools. and all tseitont we have to do is combine creativity and evidence-based approaches. so let's not use ideology. let's figure out what works and combine that with resources. and this is big argument and big difference that i'ot gnoomney in this election. they talk a good game about reform, but when you actually look at budgets, they're talking about slashing our investment education by 20, 25%. we've already seen 300,000 teachers that have been fired

ross the country, and a a consequence class sizes have gone up by 5%. and when you talk with a teacher -- i was meeting wita couple of teachers in las vegas -- they said they've got 42 kids in a class, some of them sitting on floor. it takes a coupl ofks t wh they try to redistribute to get it down to 35, 36, 38. that has an impact on kids learning. so reform is important and resources are important, and you can't be for one but not be for the other. >> let mesk you aohi leeh the administration has granted waivers to states because congress hasn't amended the law. allows them to have not as rigorous standards. something caught my eye absolutely and i'm glad it caught yours too. becausef those waiversn s esmetas a permitted to have different proficiency standards by race. in other words, in the state of

maryland, african-americans are only expected to reach a certain level of proficiency but why students arexpted reach a hire level of proficiency. we have a situation in 2012 where you have african-americans not expected to reach the same proficiency as whites. i just wondered on a gut level, does that bother you? e t g things about no child left behind is to say that all kids can learn, white, hispanic, it doesn't matter. but the problem you had is because it was underresourced and becauomeser ng to school -- minority kids were coming to school already behind, the schools were not going to come close to meeting these standards. and so what we've said to ntinue to kee h got to

standards, but we're still going to measuregrowth. you're not going have a chance do really well with white kids and the black and hispanic kids but you average it out and meet something. wee stilloi t desegregate that. moving toward the growth model and measuring how a school is doing gives every school the opportunity to improve without labeling them flures and then not giving themhe reurcethat t no actually step up. >> let's talk about college tuition. i know you've done a lot. you talk a lot about what to do on the aids side. on the cost side tuition is going up by lps andounds and will make your jaw dp wnou ewe think what a little kid today is going to have to pay in 20 years. in the state of the union, you say, i'm putting you on notice

schools, if you don't do that, e you're going to see your funding . thee a ange? >> you're right. our first step was to make sure we were providing the aid and grant that were needed so the burden wasn't all falling on kids. we took money out of t pell gram. weaid t' c the middle men. let's use that to expand the assistance we're providing the kids. so as a consequence the average cost has not gone up as fast as tuition has gone up. but that's not a sustainable mode we're go heo kption down. the biggest problem we've got with tuition, especially public universities is state legislatures have been shifting priorities. you know, they're spending money. and what we've said to state

legislatures is you've got to do your part and prioritize this because how well your state does is going to depend on how well your work force is educed. but what wve als seen is schools starting to do something out sts. you know, in some cases it may have to do with tele-education and are there ways kids can get educated without being in a clsroo itay invve changing at the facilities. when you've got country club level workout facilities and dining halls and all that stuff, that costs money. i also tell them whe i wt to school, we didn't expect to have

that. we're looking to find ways to cut costs but ultimately stes are gointoe to step this is also why community colleges are so important because that's a good option for a lot of kids. not everybody's going to need a four-year college degree. everybody's going to need some form of higher education and community college arender we want to provide 2 million more jobs. >> what would you advise a schiel senior that had a dream school that would leave them $100,000 in debt or go to another school t wt? ldhe lower their academic sights for financial reasons? >> a couple things i would say. each school is different and some schools have a big tket retail price but when you factor in the a that the schools give, it may n cost the kid as much, but if th'vot a chan atet aat education without loading up debt, you know, sometimes that

might be the better option. one of the things we want to do is make sure the kids know what it ithat it's going to cost them to go to college. so as part of ourall strt reform pacge we set up thing called the csume fie ptection bureau which is designed to help consumers on a whole range of ings, financial situations, mortgages, credit cards. one of the things they've done is work with schools so kids know before theyet -- they get a clrheet before they sign up for school explaining even if the college tells you, look, don't worry about costs, you'll be able to get the money for your college, a lot of times the kids don't know how much they're going to owe at the end of four years and we're saying you've got to make that iorma laso kan better consumers and as consequence get the best education possible. >> getting back to education for a moment, your supporters and even detractors said what you did to the race to the t had a

huge pact dt wi, i think, less than 1% of the federfe federal budget. the question is why not get we'in f t race to the top model. there have been members of congress who have been resis tent. traditionally education aid has been sead around be a formula. if you're a congreman or senator from aarticular place, yowa takurou getting your fair share, regardless of whether your schools are reforms or not. we're going to keep on pushing because as you point out, we ended up seeing 46 es,ve th os t dt w competition, initiate reforms because they were chasing those extra dollar, and what we want

to say to school districts and states across the country is each state is different. you know, we're not suggesting all comes from washington. there are some basic standards th everybody should meet and there are certain practices that we know work. wenow that -- who treated kefenand b creative in the classroom and a good principal who's a leader and you're keeping track of to progress they're making. and when we have good data that shows how you improve schools, it shouldn't be just sitting in a drawer. and thedeaetweenaco to i wll work with you, we're not going to tell you exactly what you want to do but we're ing to tell you how it works. if you want extra dollars to immr. ement that, we'll tell you. >> befe i t yo gou

ot w home, i heard about, when you let the world know malia got a c on a science test. that got me thinking. ha you ever failed a test? >> oh, yes. >> really? >> i was -- i would say i was a mediocre student until goto college. i goofed off way too much. malia and sasha are so far ahead of me, basically at n all respects. they're basically better people than i was and thayer doing wonderfully. i couldn't be puder of them. i will say lst at hohe ator getting a lot more homework than i did when i was that age. they seem to be working deep into the night, you know. i didn't study until the night before an exam. ghooow i she's studied's in current events and studying this presidential election. >> you know, she is studied current events.

she's pretty dispassionate about it. she's able to separate out from dad whstehe debates going on out there. >> are you? >> i tell her i want her to think for herself. the best education is one where kids learn how to learn and the learn how to think for themselves, and my eire goal as a parent is the same goal i've got as president, which is to make sure that every child out here is equipped to compete vien that's changing so fast. what you need to be able to do is constantly take in new information, adapt it, analyze it, use it, and i think that and we have all the ingredients we needoce thi

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